"TOT - Tree Of Trust Distributed Database"

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"TOT - Tree Of Trust Distributed Database"

Post by sandos » 2004-05-26 07:12

A proposal for a distributed trust-database (or moderated list of known-good files). It assumes the p2p network has unqiue file-IDs and substring search.

The system atleast seems to be nicely simple, relying on the normal search-and-download mechanism for distribution.

Im thinking this could be nice to have supported in DC clients. Having the same actual index-files work for more than one network (more than one hash, really) would be nice, and should be simple, "just" use more than one hash to describe each file, just like magnet-links with more than one "exat topic" tags.

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Re: "TOT - Tree Of Trust Distributed Database"

Post by sandos » 2004-05-26 07:24

sandos wrote:A proposal for a distributed trust-database (or moderated list of known-good files). It assumes the p2p network has unqiue file-IDs and substring search.


Maybe I should have included this: http://tot.sourceforge.net/

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Post by liny » 2004-05-26 21:27

Great idea, but

1) The whole database is controled by a group of moderators, it is not very ideal.
2) Also these moderators could be sued for helping infringe copyright law.

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Post by sandos » 2004-05-27 09:29

liny wrote:Great idea, but

1) The whole database is controled by a group of moderators, it is not very ideal.
2) Also these moderators could be sued for helping infringe copyright law.


1) The group of moderators could/should include you and your friends, or anyone using p2p for that matter.
2) Sharing index-files should be very much lower risk than sharing actual content.

Websites are regularly taken down, and they require location and some bandwidth. TOT on the other hand uses the regular p2p-infrastructure to distribute the index-lists, which helps both against being taken down and bandwidth-issues.

There are millions of users that share movies, Im sure they dont mind sharing these relatively low-risk files. (they should be legal in most countries)

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Post by liny » 2004-05-27 20:26

sandos wrote:1) The group of moderators could/should include you and your friends, or anyone using p2p for that matter.


The problem is one group and one DB. The level of this only index DB is decided by the level of this only group of mods. Multiple DB is better, everyone can create or subscribe different DB...
So those groups listed in vcdqualily.com can create their own DB and gain their own users...

sandos wrote:2) Sharing index-files should be very much lower risk than sharing actual content.

Websites are regularly taken down, and they require location and some bandwidth. TOT on the other hand uses the regular p2p-infrastructure to distribute the index-lists, which helps both against being taken down and bandwidth-issues.



Sharing index has no problem. What I mean is that the moderators are in danger.
Although the DB can't be taken down, the moderators can be arrested.
The more famous the DB, the more danger they are. For DMCA there is no difference between DB moderator and website admin. They all could be sued. Keeping anonymous is the most important thing.

sandos wrote:
There are millions of users that share movies, Im sure they dont mind sharing these relatively low-risk files. (they should be legal in most countries)


True. Users don't even realize they are sharing index.

Sorry for my English

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Post by sandos » 2004-05-28 03:48

liny wrote:The problem is one group and one DB. The level of this only index DB is decided by the level of this only group of mods. Multiple DB is better, everyone can create or subscribe different DB...
So those groups listed in vcdqualily.com can create their own DB and gain their own users...


Yeah, I cant say I like the idea about one root-index either, but Im thinking just using another one should be possible for individual users, although TOT doesnt seem to like that idea. (they only talk about spoofing a root etc)

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