IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!!

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IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!!

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 17:57

Can NO ONE read properly!!!???

It is NOT the same as the features that have been discussed OR rejected!

READ WHAT I WROTE!

If you have never SEEN the oDC interface, then you have NO IDEA what I'm talking about!

Stop closing off threads before there has been ANY discussion!!!!

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Re: IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!!

Post by TheParanoidOne » 2004-03-18 18:03

DeathStalker77 wrote:If you have never SEEN the oDC interface, then you have NO IDEA what I'm talking about!

Perhaps a screenshot would help.
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Screenshot

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 18:04

I would be MORE than happy to oblige with a screen shot, but I don't see any way to post one here. =(

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Post by Xan1977 » 2004-03-18 18:07

Email it to me, I'll host it.

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Post by Xan1977 » 2004-03-18 18:44

Ok, here's the screenshot. (I dumped it into a .gif from the 3 meg .bmp you sent me)

[EDIT: Image removed by request. TheParanoidOne]

Now explain to everyone what we're supposed to be looking at.


Edit: user requested that the filenames be removed from the screenshot.
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Screenshot

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 18:52

First off, dunno HOW it got to you as a 3mb BMP - I sent it as a 321k JPG file. Kinda odd.

Look at the layout and compare it to what you see in DC++

It's QUITE different.

You can't see the Uploads in this shot, because they're at the bottom.

SOME people have complained about that positioning, so it was changed to the way it currently is in DC++ around v0.300.

All I'm saying is that there should be the OPTION for people to customize the layout the way they are most comfortable with. I'm sure thare can't be THAT much coding involved. oDC is Open Source so it shouldn't be a big deal to even just drop that whole section of the program into DC++ and make an option for it.

Speaking personally, I don't care how long a file's been downloading (as DC++ currently shows in the STATUS field) only what the speed is and how much time is left.

I also want to be able to have my Uploads separated from my Downloads (and NOT be different Windows!)

Additionally, as you can see, oDC shows what file is WAITING to download from users one is not yet connected to. This is VERY helpful!

I hope this helps to clarify the issues involved :D

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Post by Xan1977 » 2004-03-18 19:07

First off, dunno HOW it got to you as a 3mb BMP - I sent it as a 321k JPG file. Kinda odd.

Weird, maybe hotmail decided to get involved more than it should have. :wink:

SOME people have complained about that positioning, so it was changed to the way it currently is in DC++ around v0.300.

It was changed. Why would it be changed back?

All I'm saying is that there should be the OPTION for people to customize the layout the way they are most comfortable with. I'm sure thare can't be THAT much coding involved. oDC is Open Source so it shouldn't be a big deal to even just drop that whole section of the program into DC++ and make an option for it.

I would be really surprised if Arne thought that was a good idea. I think you're asking for something that will never happen.

I also want to be able to have my Uploads separated from my Downloads (and NOT be different Windows!)

Sort by status? Seems to work for me.

Additionally, as you can see, oDC shows what file is WAITING to download from users one is not yet connected to. This is VERY helpful!

I see what you are describing while using DC++ .307.

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Re: Screenshot

Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-18 19:10

DeathStalker77 wrote:Look at the layout and compare it to what you see in DC++
It's QUITE different.

Not really, this is 0.307:
Image

DeathStalker77 wrote:oDC is Open Source so it shouldn't be a big deal to even just drop that whole section of the program into DC++ and make an option for it.

Sure, and many DC++ mods freely take from oDC. Arne, however, requires that programmers send him patches and assign him copyright, so that all of DC++'s code is under one copyright holder (it simplifies many things, including enforcement of coprights).

DeathStalker77 wrote:Additionally, as you can see, oDC shows what file is WAITING to download from users one is not yet connected to. This is VERY helpful!

That is a feature that is also in DC++.

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Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-18 19:17

Xan1977 wrote:I see what you are describing while using DC++ .307.

Sorting bugs? I saw one reported just in the past couple days:
[ 918131 ] TransferView sorting
This is older:
[ 874826 ] TypedView's sorting doesn't sort intuitively

It's not an unknown problem, but perhaps I just haven't sufficiently caught arne's attention. ;)

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Files Waiting

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 19:20

I don't see that DC++ shows the filenames for connections that are waiting - even when the STATUS just shows Connecting.... or Connection Timeout, oDC still shows what file is waiting to be downloaded.

Additionally, I still don't see that you can separate your downloads from your uploads --

DL
DL
- and down the list -
Connecting ....
Connection Timeout
No Slots Available
- and down the list -
UL
UL
UL


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Post by Gasman1015 » 2004-03-18 19:30

Then you obviously have no idea how to configure DC++ to your own preference within the given options.
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Preferences

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 19:36

Then why not try enlightening me, Gasman, instead of just commenting on my apparent stupidity?

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Post by Gasman1015 » 2004-03-18 19:37

If you click repeatedly on the status you can obtain different configurations of download and upload.
You can also move the headings of the transferview to arrange what order you wish to see.

DC++ does show pending downloads but only one of each from different nicks, same as oDC.
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Configuration

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 19:43

I am aware of the sorting options, but was not aware that they had changed since I last tried it at 0.303. If DC++ now shows the pending filename, that in itself, will have been the biggest hurdle for me.

If it indeed turns out that 0.307 can do as I'm looking for, then I sincerely apologize for kicking up such a fuss over it all =D

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Post by Gasman1015 » 2004-03-18 19:49

And BTW, my intention is not you make you look stupid, merely pointing out that you have not discovered the full extent of the program you are using.
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Re: Files Waiting

Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-18 19:57

DeathStalker77 wrote:I don't see that DC++ shows the filenames for connections that are waiting - even when the STATUS just shows Connecting.... or Connection Timeout, oDC still shows what file is waiting to be downloaded.

It does though. My screenshot is all uploads because I don't download. Try DC++ and see for yourself.

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 -- 0.306 2004-01-09 --
* Filename is shown on transfer error (no slots etc) (thanks ciber)

(functionally identical except oDC will show the filename the first time a user appears during "Connecting to..." - DC++ will show the filename after "No Slots Free" - and both will continue to show it until the user goes offline or you get a slot)

DeathStalker77 wrote:I am aware of the sorting options, but was not aware that they had changed since I last tried it at 0.303.

Oh? Sorry, we assume you actually run DC++, and a current version of it... Otherwise you run into situations like the current one where people request features that are already coded. :oops:

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Post by [B]bongretarded » 2004-03-18 20:06

LMFAO look at the screen shot.

look what hes downloading LMFAO. no wonder he wants all these features
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Apologies

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-18 20:09

My sincerest apologies to all then - by reading the ChangeLogs, and other posts, I hadn't percieved any functional change since I last tried it at 0.303. As soon as I can shut down my current oDC session, I will give 0.307 a try and report back on my experiences. :)

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Post by [B]bongretarded » 2004-03-18 20:11

well best make sure that screenie comes down some time soon do not want people kicking up a fuss about it.

LOL im at my uni and that poped up and i just about pissed my pants with laughter LMFAO
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Interface Issues - Partially Resolved

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-22 21:11

Ok, well dumb-ass me - I'll learn to CHECK things next time, before I post on them :wink:

0.307 has HALF of what I was looking for - it DOES finally have the awaiting filenames being shown (that was my main request), but there is still no way that I can see to get the Uploads separated from the Downloads. By clicking on the STATUS column, it either sorts

DOWNLOAD
DOWNLOAD
DOWNLOAD
UPLOAD
UPLOAD
Other files waiting for connection

OR

Other files waiting for connection
UPLOAD
UPLOAD
DOWNLOAD
DOWNLOAD
DOWNLOAD

OR

it sorts the same initially as the last example, and then other connections are placed wherever they are (no sorting).

I don't see any way to separate the Uploads from the Downloads in the list as it was in pre-0.3x versions

DOWNLOAD
DOWNLOAD
Other files waiting to connect
UPLOAD
UPLOAD

That's the only other option I can see as desireable (for me) at this time

:lol:

I will attempt, in future, to not be such a dumb-ass :wink:

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Re: Interface Issues - Partially Resolved

Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-22 21:29

DeathStalker77 wrote:it sorts the same initially as the last example, and then other connections are placed wherever they are (no sorting).

Sorting has changed since then - it seems to be strictly uploads -> downloads -> waiting uploads -> waiting downloads. (if yousort by nick)

I don't see any way to separate the Uploads from the Downloads in the list as it was in pre-0.3x versions

Well, this sorting change was because people requested a change from the previous way... And then it was modified a bit because of other users complaining. I don't think the 0.301 (?) way of sorting will be back.

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Post by Naga » 2004-03-23 03:57

would it be accepted to have this "keep uploads and download together" sorting feature as an option? Or is it a mod issue?
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Exactly!

Post by DeathStalker77 » 2004-03-24 15:31

Naga hit the nail on the head - that's all I'm looking for is an option to at least switch between the "old way" and the current way :)

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Post by [B]bongretarded » 2004-03-24 16:16

Oh now i understand Yes i would like that too. Thats been kinda annoying for me and ive just never got used to it.
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Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-26 22:55

Naga wrote:would it be accepted to have this "keep uploads and download together" sorting feature as an option? Or is it a mod issue?


Isn't it your patch in DC++'s cvs that restores this behavior? :) Don't make it an option - there are too many usless options, I'm sure most people don't know that most of them exist.

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Post by Naga » 2004-03-27 04:39

yes it is. Ok then I wont try and make it one :-)
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Post by GargoyleMT » 2004-03-27 16:24

Naga wrote:yes it is. Ok then I wont try and make it one :-)

My thinking comes, generally, from this Ask Joel (of JoelOnSoftware) post. DC++ definitely has usability issues, especially for first time users. Just notice the number of posts in Help/Support - a lot of them are about misconfigured firewalls, searching without being connected, and unfamiliarity with terms ("slot ratio").

I think reducing the number of options makes sense, even if most of them are under Advanced and you're of the mindset: "It's an advanced setting - don't touch it if you don't know what it is."

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