Now PDF is a "document" now, isnt it?

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-20 14:00

Almost a bug... but someone should have noted it by now if it was...

Searching for "documents" does not include PDF. In fact, there are no way you can reduce the search when searching for PDF.

Best Regards
JemyM

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-20 14:51

Currently the extensions recognised as "document" are HTM, DOC, TXT and NFO.

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-20 15:23

TheParanoidOne wrote:Currently the extensions recognised as "document" are HTM, DOC, TXT and NFO.

Trust me. I know.

joakim_tosteberg · Post by **joakim_tosteberg** » 2004-02-20 15:28

JemyM wrote:
TheParanoidOne wrote:Currently the extensions recognised as "document" are HTM, DOC, TXT and NFO.
Trust me. I know.

No you don't, for dc++ it's only the htm, txt and nfo extensions that is recognized as documents and this will probably not be changed in a near future. Requests to change which filetypes that each catrgory shall include have been made several times before.

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-20 16:11

joakim_tosteberg wrote:No you don't, for dc++ it's only the htm, txt and nfo extensions that is recognized as documents and this will probably not be changed in a near future. Requests to change which filetypes that each catrgory shall include have been made several times before.

No, I dont get YOU.

Do you suggest that this is this an unfixable problem?

Todi · Post by **Todi** » 2004-02-20 16:22

JemyM wrote:No, I dont get YOU.

Do you suggest that this is this an unfixable problem?

No, I believe he's suggesting that it's not a problem that should be "fixed". There are probably hundreds of filetypes that could be added, and for everyone that is, the client will require more CPU to handle those searches, and on big hubs there will be a LOT of searches.. If everyone of those filetypes were added (where do you stop after all), it wouldn't be very funny.

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-20 18:30

Todi wrote: No, I believe he's suggesting that it's not a problem that should be "fixed". There are probably hundreds of filetypes that could be added, and for everyone that is, the client will require more CPU to handle those searches, and on big hubs there will be a LOT of searches.. If everyone of those filetypes were added (where do you stop after all), it wouldn't be very funny.

I see your point. Thing is that PDF's is a common warez type, just as popular as AVI, RAR, MP3 or ZIP. All eBooks are created in PDF you know, which is a huge market, both for RPG's and Comics. Its ironic that a filetype such as "htm" is supported while "pdf" is not.

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-20 18:49

JemyM wrote:Its ironic that a filetype such as "htm" is supported while "pdf" is not.

"Ironic" how?

raym0nd · Post by **raym0nd** » 2004-02-21 01:13

I agree with him. I have a version of DC++ I keep updated for me and quite a few of my friends because we all search for pdf's etc when looking for manuals etc. HTML documents are lousy, generally worthless documents that are not correctly coded for cross browser use 99% of the time. PDF works and looks the same for ANYONE using acrobat.

It is easy enough to add into the source btw - if you want you can search the forums and there is an "expanded document list" printed into code for cutting and pasting. You can add it in and compile to work for yourself. =)

Twink · Post by **Twink** » 2004-02-21 02:13

raym0nd wrote:I agree with him. I have a version of DC++ I keep updated for me and quite a few of my friends because we all search for pdf's etc when looking for manuals etc. HTML documents are lousy, generally worthless documents that are not correctly coded for cross browser use 99% of the time. PDF works and looks the same for ANYONE using acrobat.

It is easy enough to add into the source btw - if you want you can search the forums and there is an "expanded document list" printed into code for cutting and pasting. You can add it in and compile to work for yourself. =)

yes but adding these yourself will only affect searches that others do, any searches that you perform will only search for pdf files on people with the patch, meaning that people using other clients such as nmdc and dcgui will have different exensions too.

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-21 05:03

TheParanoidOne wrote:
JemyM wrote:Its ironic that a filetype such as "htm" is supported while "pdf" is not.
"Ironic" how?

Up to now I have never had a reason to search for "htm", also I commonly use ".html" myself. I dont know anything that people often store in "htm" for others to download on DC.

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-21 05:09

Twink wrote: yes but adding these yourself will only affect searches that others do, any searches that you perform will only search for pdf files on people with the patch, meaning that people using other clients such as nmdc and dcgui will have different exensions too.

So thats the problem.

Ill bet there is a high demand since there are several groups that exclusively deal with PDF's, so convincing the other popular alternatives such as the developers of oDC wouldnt be a problem.
I believe few people use nmdc theese days... nmdc is banned from all the hub's that I visit.

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-21 06:18

If you are valuing PDF above the other document types, can't you just search for "<doc title> PDF"?

JemyM · Post by **JemyM** » 2004-02-21 06:46

TheParanoidOne wrote:If you are valuing PDF above the other document types, can't you just search for "<doc title> PDF"?

That wasnt a bad idea. Really.

Wisp · Post by **Wisp** » 2004-02-21 08:00

i rarely use the "file type" select box, if i want music i type something like "britney spears mp3"

Post by **GargoyleMT** » 2004-02-21 12:56

JemyM wrote:All eBooks are created in PDF you know, which is a huge market, both for RPG's and Comics.

I've seen .LIT, .DOC, .RTF, .HTML, .TXT, and .PS too. (And a lone .MHT.)

The problem is the way types are checked in DC++ currently, and the fact that you can only change the types of files that you return for the 8/9 defined "types" in DC.

I think there's a lot of sense in adding popular extensions, especially if users can be educated about how searching by types works in DC.

Twink · Post by **Twink** » 2004-02-21 15:46

it might make sense to change the text in the file type drop downs to something like

Audio (wav; mp3; wmv)
Compressed (zip; rar)

etc

just so people actually know what they're searching for, I know it wont be quite correct as its the extensions at the other end that matter but it would at least give the user more of an idea.

Post by **GargoyleMT** » 2004-02-21 15:51

Twink wrote:it might make sense to change the text in the file type drop downs to something like

Maybe. If you've pulled BCDC source lately you've probably seen the html help I started. I think a helpfile is the place to document this, rather than add ugly extensions to the UI.

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-21 15:56

Indeed. I was just about to post that. Having it in the drop down adds too much "noise" to the UI.

I didn't want to mention a help file because one doesn't exist!

However I agree that that would be the best place to put it.

Gasman1015 · Post by **Gasman1015** » 2004-02-21 17:12

Problem there, is no one seems to read help files.

Post by **GargoyleMT** » 2004-02-21 17:25

Gasman1015 wrote:Problem there, is no one seems to read help files.

Well, especially those that don't exist.

There should be an easy way to auto-open help each time DC++ is started until a user disables the feature.

For reference, a version of the compiled help file I started is here: http://members.verizon.net/todd.pederza ... usplus.chm

Gasman1015 · Post by **Gasman1015** » 2004-02-21 17:48

GargoyleMT wrote:There should be an easy way to auto-open help each time DC++ is started

MainFrm.cpp

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if(SETTING(NICK).empty()) {
		PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, IDC_HELP_README);
      PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, IDC_HELP_FILE);
		PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, ID_FILE_SETTINGS);

May annoy users if it happens every time it starts.

Yes, I know there is more than that required, just an example.

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-21 18:17

Gasman1015 wrote: MainFrm.cpp
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if(SETTING(NICK).empty()) {
		PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, IDC_HELP_README);
      PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, IDC_HELP_FILE);
		PostMessage(WM_COMMAND, ID_FILE_SETTINGS);
May annoy users if it happens every time it starts.

Yes, I know there is more than that required, just an example.

Heh.

And just to *really* annoy them, load up the FAQ, the forums and the "How to ask questions correctly" website as well.

*but I just wanted to download some music*

Post by **GargoyleMT** » 2004-02-22 22:21

TheParanoidOne wrote:And just to *really* annoy them, load up the FAQ, the forums and the "How to ask questions correctly" website as well.

Excellent idea, Eric Raymond may have licensed that under something that'd work for a inclusion into the helpfile (there's the gnu free documentation license...).

The only problem is that there's probably no way of having a "do not launch the help file next time" checkbox in the helpfile - as many other programs do with help wizards when they start up.

TheParanoidOne · Post by **TheParanoidOne** » 2004-02-23 03:14

Have it buried deep in the Advanced page

ivulfusbar · Post by **ivulfusbar** » 2004-02-23 05:11

No no.. Have it buried in the registry and or a global enviromentvariable (to keep the change more os-independent). ,))