[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:[snip]People like ivulfusbar want this thread to disappear, and troll rather than attempt a rational explanation about why bandwidth limiting is wrong.
Bandwidth limiting is "wrong" (as are all things, all hail "the ends justify the means"!) only when it limits the greater good.
The greater good is often considered to be sharing, or more specifically, for me to get stuff from you. Whether you can get stuff from me is often irrelevant to most people. If they don't get hurt by it, they'll do it.
[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:[snip quote about Swedes]For months now, I've been privately grumbling about the Swedes. Without fail, I am banned from every Swedish hub I ever log onto. The only explanation I can come up with is that Swedes are racists. They actually ban anyone who is not Swedish, and they'll ban you for little/no reason if they just can't be sure. I thought they were supposed to be socialists, and these people act like this.
Before you ask, I am a "racist" Swede.
Sweden is a socialist nation (welfare state and all that). We get loads of stuff for "free" (and anyone who earns money pays through the nose for it ... as in half your salary in taxes, plus taxes on the stuff you buy).
Our nice nation decided that "Internet is the Future!" and promptly subsidized city-wide networks as well as building a inter-city network of gigantic proportions (well... kinda - actually SuNET (an organisation sponsored by the state through the universities of Sweden) built our gigabit inter-city backbone).
When we connect to the 'net, and gets tremendous speeds to other Swedes, but a measly trickle of bytes (a few kilobytes per second) from other nations, most of us think "Oh well. So what if we can't get Ultra-Uber-GoreFest 2005 in a few minutes
". Others start 10-megabit hubs and kick/ban anyone without a "proven" 10-megabit connection (and it's the connection to the people on the hub that counts, not your connection). Some go so far to kick anyone from any IP outside of Sweden. FYI, there are hubs that I (as a user of a small, local ISP) do not get into because my connection is not "good enough".
As to the racism... sadly, the "casual" racism is increasing, and it is not only funny looking fellas with towels on their heads that are the targets of it. Americans (and, to a certain extent, Brits) get their share of the mud thrown on them, too.
The European Union is starting to become "Fortress Europe", one of many steps that will, most probably, lead to "The Federated States of Europe".
Oh well... enough about Sweden.
[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:This is not accurate whatsoever, as many people have written here. I am on 128kbps upload, and it cripples my download speed. I am talking 2-3 kB/s maximum.
Get an upload limited client, for crying out load. Sure, you have to do the searching for one all by yourself (several haven been mentioned on the boards).
[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:There was an extremely old version of dc++k that worked for me. All other modified clients I've tested either crash constantly or or do not implement working bandwidth limiting.
Why thank you! It's not often I get praise for my modified version.
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I intend to release a "DC++k uploadlimiting only" version soon. It will feature uploadlimiting only (as well as pre-0.24 DC++ emulation). Check my site every now and then.
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[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:"Bandwidth limiting" is not even the right term. I do not want to lower my upload speed at all. I am not going to limit anyone's bandwidth. I just want to prevent this backwards program from crashing my downloads. It is literally not functional without a limit/throttle/cap in place.
Correct. So why not use BCDC++ / DC++k / whatever?
[RONIN]son_of_minya wrote:Telling me that I can do nothing to make this program work, is like telling a 12-year old girl that she has to die because kidney transplants are illegal. "Sorry, too many people would abuse it, so we can't allow kidney transplants. I know, it's bad. You're gonna die... But you are not Swedish, so we don't give a f*ck. Only lamers have bad kidneys anyway, l00zer."
Actually, what most people should have said is "here's a knife, and an infinite number of people to train on - teach yourself to transplant a kidney and you'll live!
". It's a bit mean, but if you are going to do kidney transplants for every kid that asks you'll run out of time to do the brain-transplant for the kindly old man. Or somesuch.
maniak wrote:You see, since we don't have a terabyte of hottest stuff to share, 1000 slots and OC-3 line, we're just random losers to them. Our troubles have no significance to them.
Going back to the first quote, the solution is clear to me. It's time to start acting like a criminal.
W00t w00t! Give me a PM if you want to get cracking on the source code yourself and run into problems. The more the merrier!
Now, if we only would start using a rating server, all these problems would go away.
Did you exchange... a walk-on part in the war... for a lead role in a cage?