A option that enables so that files without TTH is allowed

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A option that enables so that files without TTH is allowed

Post by wisky » 2006-09-23 19:13

Many people are still using non-DC++ based clients or using very old DC++,
so to be able to download from these people we need to be able to download files without TTH,
like add an option in advanced to enable files without TTH.

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Post by Todi » 2006-09-23 19:20

Instead, those users should update their old clients, because there is very little chance that DC++ would suddenly reverse the current TTH-is-king course.

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Post by Xan1977 » 2006-09-23 19:22

It will never happen because it would undermine the data integrity principles that mandatory hashing has established.

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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-23 19:44

I dont think he is saying switch back to the old way, just have an option for some users where they can switch between THH hashing and No THH hashing......am I correct wisky?

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Post by ullner » 2006-09-23 21:10

Doesn't matter. This is not going to change. You will have to live with it or downgrade.

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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-24 02:26

or do like I am doing, learn how to code yourself and make your own client. It is a bit hard but well worth it in the end because you can make your own client to fit your likes and needs

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Post by Pasqualle » 2006-09-24 03:25

if you understand what you (and others) lose, when you download something without TTH, then you may understand that TTH-is-king..

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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-24 03:36

dude I understand perfectly what THH does, it insures that you are getting the same file no matter what the file name is.....believe me im not stupid, all im saying is some people like it without THH and some like THH

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Post by [NL]Pur » 2006-09-24 05:14

So, The Dc++ developers are entitled to decide also what is in their client ;)

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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-24 05:19

yea but it is wise to find out what the consumers like I mean they will be using his product

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Post by [NL]Pur » 2006-09-24 05:21

OH, ofcourse ;)

and consumers don't want correct files, they rather have them corrupted .

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Post by FarCry » 2006-09-24 05:26

Besides the well known benefits of hashing in general, removing the possibility to download non-TTH files simplified the implementation significantly, which means less bugs and higher runtime efficiency. That's something everybody wants, I assume. The proposed option invalidates that advantage.

I have no problem with mods reimplementing non-TTH downloads. They are well known for their hardly tested and buggy functionality anyway, so that's probably where such functionality belongs in.

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Post by wisky » 2006-09-25 06:46

I really have no problem with that 0.696 doesn't allow files with no TTH
when it comes to finding and downloding popular files, but when I want something rare,
I need to be able to search everyone and download from everyone.

Also, a user which has files with no TTH may also be the only one with free slots that has the files I want.

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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-25 09:08

wisky just proved my point, same thing happened to me not too long ago, luckly I found someone with what I was looking for (truly a 1 in a million) and got what I needed only after he sent it to me via yahoo file sharing thingy they have

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Post by Jove » 2006-09-25 13:46

The most important point i believe is that users that do not support TTH cannot download from any DC++ user... they WILL upgrade.

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Post by rikis » 2006-09-26 10:42

Why? And if they don't?

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Post by Pothead » 2006-09-26 11:45

Kick them. :wink:

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Post by ShadowWarrior » 2006-09-26 14:46

Since pre 307 clients cannot DL from you (Removed support for generating NMDC-style file lists) it's naturall to go step futher and remove support for nonTTH files as well (all supported clients that can dl from you are also TTH generating ones).


When You want to play some game online You usually have to patch it to latest version, or You won't connect to game server/network. And rather nobody complains, they just patch and play! They don't have to patch and can play on 1.0 but they will have to find/create they own server and stay there.
So I cannot understand why so much people stupidly defend users who like stone era. Why, oh why DC network has to be different?

(unless patch is buggy, most of the game servers won't upgrade then)

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Post by imb » 2006-09-26 16:10

Most users are ignorant of the benefits of these new features and only see the extra computer resources required to run them. It's only right for the longterm benefit of the DC community that the DC dev should not let these users get their own way :)
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Post by GOLIATH » 2006-09-26 17:32

you know what imb is correct, progress means to move forward not the other way around, why dont you do this......host a hub that allows only clients below .307 that way they can download from each other, and go into hubs that allow advertising in them.....other than that I also suggest upgrading

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Post by Quattro » 2006-09-27 05:09

when ADC hubs get more used this whole discussion will die anyway, as only clients with TTH have ADC support ^^
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