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NoFiX wrote:"hey cops, don't bother looking for who is doing the fuckloads of transfers, you got this rating system to tell you."

If all the cops cared about was the amount of transferring you've done they'd just go ask your ISP, moron. Nobody in this system reports WHAT you've downloaded.

volkris

Version authentication. I really can't think of a way to do this in an OSS program. OSS has nothing to do with it, please don't spread the false impression that it does. the protocol really is flawed. I'm working on a new protocol design codename "DCng", I'm trying to find all pitfalls in todays pr...

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Anyway, the point of the post was that this is not that big of a problem. I'll retype the post tomorrow if I get a chance. The whole "as long as there are not that many clients doing it it won't get too much out of hand"-argument you used on the lichlord forum? I don't remember what I said on lichl...

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Well, I had written something verbose and informative on this subject, but Internet Explorer lost it. I swear, I don't know how you guys can stand that browser. It's like going back to a mouse without a wheel. It's uncivilized! :) Anyway, the point of the post was that this is not that big of a prob...

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This trend start to point out that A and B are lying, and as more users download from B it starts to prove the point more. Unfortunately, this doesn't help that much. In the "technological" case, the deception is negotiated on a case by case basis, so the inconsistancies won't pop up (assuming the ...

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This is a step in the right direction. The fact that a client is or is not submitting should also be indicated in their rating (a seperate metric). That way if someone connects to me to download something, I can then look up their rating. If they have a high rating but have never submitted metrics ...

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http://volkstar.dyndns.org/~volkris/subversion/DCRatings/ Yeah, that was my fault. I was doing some work on my repositories. It should be working now. I don't see it as centeralized because I'm not considering a "global" rating system like you are proposing. No, I'm referring to your view of the hu...

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In reality this whole system being discussed is a Karma system, and there is no use in calling it anything else. While the word "Karma" is cute and all, it has connotations that are completely opposite what the aim here is. If you don't pick up these differences with the rest of my response I can g...

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-584821,00.html Weapons inspectors today are saying that Iraq is even backing down on the recent appearant moves towards compliance. In fact, UN officials are saying exactly what I've been saying here: all of the "anti-war" protestors do nothing but encourag...

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Let's place a lot more weapon-inspectors in Iraq and in the mean while push Iraq a LOT harder to follow human rights. This will decrease Iraqs possibilities for a functional weaponprogram. It won't at all.... There is really no reason to believe that the inspectors have slowed weapons development b...

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Last thing, on the topic of Iraq not being able to get weapon materials while under UN guard: News reports this week have been really pressing into the issue of evidence where France, Germany, and Russia have continued to illegally sell weapon materials to Iraq throughout the sanction period. It is ...

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Oh, I almost forgot. If you need a short term feel good humanitarian reason to go in now instead of later, the longer we wait before the attack, the more difficult the war will be, killing and hurting even more people, and the longer the current regime has to continue its brutality against its own p...

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It is wrong to assume that the only weapons in Iraq today are leftovers from before. For every expert that you site saying so I'm sure I could find one saying otherwise. In the end Iraq's black market activities are well known, including explicit attempted deals to procure fissionable material. Just...

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GargoyleMT wrote: If you want me to borrow the queueing code from BCDC, I can see if I can separate that out into something nice (and maybe add a simple frame, ala. Finished Downoads).

What does the queueing of BCDC do? I know I could probably go look it up myself, but I'm lazy

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... a misguided rejection

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Sure. There already are XML document classes in DC++ (SimpleXML) which should prove sufficient, so this should prove no problem. Really? Great! What was it being used for? Config files? Anyway, take your time. This should prove no problem, but there should be a minimum allowed time between updates....

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Just wanted to mention that today Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the UN, went to Baghdad on what he reffered to as a final, "Last chance mission to convince Saddam" to disarm. That's today in 1998.... And yet here's the UN considering passing another resultion giving him another "last chance". I b...

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I'm honestly pretty afraid of overbloating this whole ratings thing, it's already heavier than I particularly liked, but I suppose a reference platform is allowed to be bulky. Just look at Freenet :) So, here's my proposition: users shoud submit data in XML. The api for submitting information can th...

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Well I suppose more design needs to be done before approaching an API. Timelines and such....

I'll post documents to http://volkstar.dyndns.org/~volkris/sub ... DCRatings/ eventually.

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My point is that he has absolutely no reason to "sugar-coat" any report. He is completely neutral in the war issue. He has a mission and his intention is to give the picture of reality. But you seem to interpret the facts a lot more accurate than him - right? Well ok, here's a couple of possibiliti...

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Well, sure, but, to my knowledge, that means that a hub hash (or something that uniquely identifies a hub anyhow) has to be sent with the rating data, and we will have to judge a client from a certain hubs perspective (e.g. when we ask for a rating we'd have to send along the hub hash). Well I had ...

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IMO, I would highly recommend that a proposed protocol would use XML. Yes it's a slightly fatter stream, and no I'm not recommending it because it's a "cool" thing. Well, IIRC the protocol would only be broken if the specific implementation doesn't ignore unknown commands. XML would be no different...

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Narrow-minded opinion. Read some history.. This issue isn't a new one. Everything is historical connected. It goes back as far as the post-war era. If you don't see that then I'm sorry for you.. The current state of the world is what has to be dealt with. The past can only be used as a learning too...

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Well it only ended up taking a couple of minutes to do in Python, so I now have an operational XMLRPC server running at http://volkstar.dyndns.org/XMLRPC/ . It's currently serving two functions, getRating(name) and submitRating(rating,name). It will return just a little text basically echoing the in...

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Uhm... not to be mean or anything, but isn't that the hubs responsability? I mean, the hub has all sorts of ways to check on a user that the rating server never could hope to use since it (in my opinion) would serve much more clients than a hub does. Some might see it as the hub's responsibility, b...

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A python client... now I'd love to see how that works out.
I enjoy python under Linux and was quite impressed to see it running some pretty heavy and graphical simulations under Windows as well.

Can python be considered cross platform?

volkris

Years of HUMILATION of the Palestinian people generates these actions. The Palestinien people are desperate and I understand them! Oh boo hoo. A guy on the street looked at me the wrong way the other day, so I shot him. But it's ok because he hurt my feelings. Seriously, I have no sympathy for a gr...

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First some important history (and still very actual) No, none of that was important at all :) It was a different world then, with different motivations, some of which you stated. But end the end none of it matters. That was then, this is now. All of above was about oil - why is it so different now?...

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Hmmm... we could use the facts we do have to make some statistics - e.g. we know when user X logged in and we know when X reported transfers. Any reported transfers "belong" to the log-in made prior to reporting the transfer. Is this useful in any way? The thinking was that a user who was online (m...

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I thought they were there to ascertain whether Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Or was that a secondary objective? No, this is a widely held misconception. This never was and still isn't an objective at all. I mean come on, it's silly to think that those few men could possibly be able to find ...

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I agree, I think it's one of the features that people who've tried other P2P applications look for. However, doesn't a queue lose a lot of effectiveness when someone can stay on it for days? You can integrate a ratings system and have people wait based on all sorts of interesting criteria, but if t...

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As long as DC++ is open source, it's trivial to remove all such things from ti - that is - you could do nothing about it (except close DC++ sources, but that won't help so much - security by obscurity isn't the right way imo) If open source has nothing to do with it (it doesn't, but you admit this ...

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You seems to look at everything in matter of black and white when you narrow it down to "They broke a promise, it's time to punish them now" War should be the absolut last solution - I wonder why mr Bush is in such a hurry but Hey, he is the good guy and Saddam is evil personified right? I'd hardly...

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Scav, obviously I disagree with just about everything you just said on FACTUAL grounds, not even getting into matters requiring interpretation, but in the end hardly any of it matters. I shouldn't have been led into a discussion of it in the first place. If you wish to continue to enlarge the scope ...

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Of course oil is an interest for all countries in the world, Russian as well as US but if find it interesting that first priority for Bush after a war is to take control of the oil - second priority is the civilians and government changes.. Where do you get this idea? The only context in which this...

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Does this mean that a user can only send one search request per second?

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]right.. this is turning everything around. just because the US wants war, the UN has to support it, or otherwise we can abandon the UN. I do agree that the institution is not doing a damn thing, and that Saddam needs to go. but why now? what about North-Korea? has anyone thought about a replacemen...

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Over 10 million :shock: people will then demonstrate worldwide against Bush's attack on Iraqi civilians. I'll go to the demonstration in Berlin, at least 150.000 are expected to be there. Must....resist....being.....pulled....into.....an....offtopic.....argument. I'll just leave it at saying that i...

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Sarf, as long as users log on to the ratings server it can check to make sure only one person at a time is using a rating. Yes. Yet another assumption from my part, since I wanted to use a stateless server. Ah well. I guess that there is really no point to logging out from a server (since only logi...

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I created a Subversion (see http://subversion.tigris.org/) repository on my server for holding docs, code, etc, for a Ratings project. Check out http://volkstar.dyndns.org/~volkris/subversion/DCRatings/. If I can figure out how to do .htaccess files on a repository by repository basis I'll give out ...

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Here it boils down to the realizating that a proper ratings system will give hub operators a more substantive set of criteria to determine someone's "worth" and (perhaps) "intentions." It's even more basic than that. It will give anyone the ability to get a fell for a user's behavior. I mean I'm su...

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I meant that we do not want clients to report things that will directly lower their own ratings. It's more important that clients not be able to raise their own ratings. I mean, if someone really wants to I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with them voluntarily lowering their own levels, after all...

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While I definitely see the merit in the discussion so far, it seems to me (not having been around/aware of the lichlord forums) that this is the middle of the conversation, not the beginning of it. Everyone who knows how I write knows how longwinded I can be. :) Excuse me for being pedantic with so...

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Ah... I never thought about giving credit (or whatnot) for reporting - I just assumed you meant that they would get their rating "fined" the appropriate amount, which would be just such a negative feedback thingy we agree on (I hope). What am I agreeing on here? Oh, and to answer the other question...

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Giving out your ip address isn't the best of ideas ;) What's that A&M University? :? I'm completely aware of the dangers of giving out my IP address. I simply trust in the security on my box :) My box normally lives at volkstar.dyndns.org. Anyone who wants to can look up the ip of that address. Sec...

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But the best would still be a precise measurement of the lines true limits, then capping it by just 1 or 2KB/s - WHICH IS ALL I ASK! Well, I suppose it doesn't help yelling either... :| Nooo, the best would be a quantum communication channel of some sort that would transmit an infinite amount of in...

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Every reporter has to get the server from the person it is uploading from . Do you mean that the downloading person reports to the same server as the person it is downloading from (this seems likely to be the case) ? The downloading person reports to the server specified by the person he is downloa...

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Or it could highlight a button or whatnot... Maybe it could scroll a notification somewhere. Eh, it's for the interface designers. I just think that if someone saw that they could gain by registering, they would. Ah, I see a primary misunderstanding. I see the system as using the ratings server of ...

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What would you rather do.. download with 16kB/s from your cable neighbour, or 256kB/s from me? The idea is rather crappy ;) What are you talking about? Chances are he and his neighbor have the same connection tot he internet. There would therefore be no speed mismatch bottleneck and no commodity In...

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It would be possible.
A ttl measurement might even make it automated.

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